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The Unsolved Mysteries of My Stunted Height

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batmanbegins
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Abstract: I’ve been questioning it my whole life. I just wanted to know how much I might have lost and if there’s something I could have done to change it. The purpose of this analysis is to investigate every factor that could possibly harm my growth. Hopefully, by understanding it better, it can bring some peace to my mind and then I can move on to the next chapter of my life which is dealing with my current height and finding a cure for it, be it temporary or permanent.

 

Stats:

 

Age 15 : 162cm / 5’3.75”

 

Age 16 : 164cm / 5’4.5”

 

Final Height : 167cm / 5’5.75” (Morning Height : 168.5cm / 5’6.25)

 

Father’s Height : 175cm / 5’9” (Note : Actually I never measured him, it’s possible that he was taller when he was young)

 

Mother’s Height : 158cm / 5’2”

 

Sister I’s Height : 166cm / 5’5.5”

 

Sister II’s Height : 164cm / 5’4.5”

 

 

What I Fucked Up

 

       
  • Sleep Deprivation

It’s the primary factor that all this time I’ve believed has damaged my growth the most. I slept on average 2 hours a night from the age of 10-18. Actually I don’t remember when it started exactly, it could have been even before that. I admit that part of it was my own doing. I often chose to stay up watching football, tv, playing games or listening to radio because I just like to be alone at night. But mostly it’s due to school. Life was hard back then to the point where I had to wake up at 5AM every morning because school started so early. I was always afraid to wake up in the morning and a lot of times I stayed up to study. I might have taken a nap here and there after school. Sometimes it could be 3-4 hours of a nap. But I don’t remember how consistent it was. I remember there were times where I didn’t sleep at all and just went straight to school or just slept for 1 hour. I remember once during junior high school, I felt so grateful because I managed to get 4 hours of sleep the previous night. Except during holidays, I never once woke up voluntarily. I was always forced to.

 

Scientific theory : Our body produces growth hormone during deep sleep. That’s why it’s commonly believed that sleep is needed to grow. But there has been an argument that our body will still compensate by producing the HG during the day if we didn’t sleep.

 

The reality is that I know a few people in real life who slept more than average people and ended up a lot taller that he’s supposed to.

 

If I had a time machine : I would definitely quit school at 5th grade or at the very least attend homeschool. Because there was no way I could have slept sufficiently and lived stress-free while attending the same schools I did. But is that even realistic? There was no way my younger self could have known the things I know today. I just listened to my parents and tried my best, did whatever it took to survive in school believing it was necessary. In the end, I’d just blame my parents as I always did all my life. I just wish they acted wiser by placing less importance on my grades and more on my well-being and growth.

       
  • Depression

It’s the second biggest factor that might have contributed to the stunting of my height and it’s connected to my sleep deprivation. I remember quite well that my depression started officially in the 5th grade at the age of 10 because that’s when things started to go down. Before that I was relatively a happy normal kid. Then I had to deal with both academic pressure and social pressure (aka bullies). It’s no doubt that I was depressed more than most kids. But the question is how much impact it could have had on my growth.

 

Scientific theory : When we are depressed, our body produces stress hormone called cortisol which could inhibit growth hormone. There was a study that shows that children whose parents are divorced are shorter than average.

 

If I had a time machine : I mean who wants to be depressed, right? But quitting school was the only way to solve this and my parents weren’t about to let that happen.

       
  • Malnutrition

I originally believed that it could play a huge factor too. My diet was not by any means perfect. I mostly ate a lot of rice with minimum portion of meat/fish/poultry and I didn’t like milk that much. But I liked Milo which has calcium. I liked eggs (although not the yolk), sausages and nuggets. And it couldn’t be that bad after all. Once in a while, usually in the weekend, my parents would take me to dinner outside where I must have had decent stuffs. Sometimes I had steaks. Sometimes we went for buffet where I could overeat to the point of vomitting. And there were lots of occasions such as family gatherings, birthday parties, social events. Of course not everyday that I had such privilege. When I bought meals in the school canteen, for instance, I don’t think it gave that much either. And for this reason, I leave open the possibility of my diet stunting my height. I did not practice a healthy diet consistently and didn’t drink 6 gallons of milk everyday.

 

If I had a time machine : I would definitely eat good stuffs and drink milk more consistently. But would you expect a kid to have this level of awareness and discipline?

       
  • Masturbation

Actually I only started doing it at the age of 15.5. What’s funny is that, in High School, I used to think it’s the number 1 cause for my short height.

 

Scientific theory : Sperm is made of protein. So when we masturbate, we waste the protein which otherwise could be used for our body to grow. Howover, most sources I came across on the internet dismiss this theory.

 

But I guess we’ll never know now, won’t we? At least, I started pretty late. I should have been close to my maximum potential already at 15.5.

       
  • Illness

Apart from dengue fever once when I was like 5 or so, I mostly just got sore throat and fever from time to time and took lots of antibiotics.

 

And when I was 19, I discovered that I had a nasal polyp which caused my difficulty of breathing. I didn’t know how long it’s been there, but it might have always been there.

 

What I Got Right

 

       
  • Caffeine Free

So in an attempt to make myself feel better, I want to remind myself that I at least got a few things right. I don’t believe I was a regular coffee drinker back then. My aunt took me to Starbucks once in a while. But that was it. Most likely won’t be enough to cause any stunting.

       
  • Alcohol, Smoking, Drugs Free

I drank a few cans of beers and smoked a few cigarettes when I was 16, but it was very rare. I never did drugs in my life. I read that Al Pacino and Mark Wahlberg did all these from an early age which might be the reason why they both ended up short.

       
  • Physical Activity

I was quite physically active back then, more than a lot of kids anyway. I did basketball, soccer, taekwondo during elementary school and high school eventhough not to the point where I became a school player. I often went swimming when I was younger.

       
  • Never broken a bone

During my school days, it wasn’t unusual to see a kid with a hand covered in bandages due to bone fracture. However, I can safely say that it never happened to me.

       
  • Never had a major surgery

I’ve heard some people say that it can mess up with growth too. But fortunately, I never had any.

       
  • Other physical flaw till the age of 15.5

Perhaps, this is the biggest excuse I have for failing my height. I actually had another physical flaw that became a major issue during my childhood and teenage years (which actually didn’t have to be) until I had it fixed at age 15.5. I believe this is the main reason why I never had a chance to pay much attention to my height. Because my height wasn’t the main reason I was bullied, eventhough my unintimidating height encouraged people to do so. But I would have to be a lot bigger than I was for them to really fear me. Anyway, once I fixed it. I took the time to enjoy being a normal kid for the first time in my life and didn’t just be conscious about my height right off the bat. In a way, I feel that my lack of height can be interpreted as a symbol that always reminds me of the beginning of my life, where I came from.

       
  • Trying to catch up at the age of 16.5

I remember approaching the end of 2009, I started to give my height a serious attention. I went to a growth taller clinic in my city and had my growth plates checked. I was so devastated to find out that they were almost closed and that I had only 6-9 months left to grow. The first time, I was measured at 164.3cm with the clinic machine and 164.7 or so after 2 months of treatment. Since then, I must have tried to sleep more than normally whenever I could. It wasn’t, by any means, sufficient. But if I used to just sleep 1-2 hours a night previously, now I might have managed to get 3-4 hours and during holidays, I would sleep till afternoon. I also took lots of supplements and tried a few other growth taller devices. Then after I quit school at 17.5, I must have slept a lot more.

 

Anyway, approaching the end of 2011, at 18.75, 2 years after my first visit to the clinic, I went back to the same clinic to measure myself with the exact same machine. I was 166.5. So that means I grew about 2cm in 2 years between age 16.5-18.75. After that, I’ve been regularly measured at 167cm. I didn’t know if I grew another 0.5cm after almost 19 or it’s due to different machines or my posture wasn’t perfect that day.

 

On one hand, I felt really grateful that my body managed to grew the significant 2.5cm at the very last minute. But on the other hand, sometimes it feels that my body was trying to catch up and make up for the previous bad years, but just wasn’t given enough time to reach its maximum.

       
  • Body Proportions

It’s also one of the things that were always out of my control. But interestingly enough, the size of my cranium, hands, feet, waist are all small as well, thus making them appropriate for my height. My arms and fingers length are even shorter than my sisters’. So I guess these are all possibly indications that I was never going to be big and that my height was not stunted. There are 2 theories. One being, our body parts grow at different rates. So for instance, the cranium might reach maturity much earlier than height. The other being, every body part might get stunted in harmony. I would need to dive deeper into this later.

       
  • I was never big

I was particularly skinny, but I didn’t feel very short during elementary school. Eventhough I do remember worrying about it a few times during kindergarten and elementary school. However, I was older than most kids of the same grade because my birthday is in January. So I was always a couple of months or even a year ahead of everyone in terms of growth. I also just remember that I did feel short since the beginning of Junior High School. Many people were already taller than me by that time.

 

Conclusion

I think it’s pretty unrealistic to hope that I did everything right from the beginning without any prior knowledge regarding the significance of height. Without knowing the things I know now, I wouldn’t have the motivation to be tall and there was no way I could have known everything back then being born in this family unless my current self unless I can hop into a time machine and go back in time and get back into my 5-year-old body. And I don’t expect my parents to be experts in this field either. The only thing that I regret mostly was how my parents could place such an importance on school and neglect my well-being and growth. I mean it would be a lot wiser if they just didn’t give a shit about any of those. I did everything I could to survive in school while being oppressed for years and worse, I tried to perform well academically, thus often sacrificing my sleep even more than I was going to. All that for nothing. Of course, I don’t know exactly how much my sleep deprivation and depression actually damaged my growth. But we do know that even most doctors and scientist believe in the correlation between sleep and growth. It’s one thing when you stunted your growth through starvation because your family is so poor and there’s nothing you could do about it, but it’s another thing when you stunted your growth because you chose to suffer unnecessarily and everyone around you advocated that. Even those who stunted their growth by smoking, at least, they got the pleasure from doing so.

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I know you don't want to hear it, but your height is most likely not stunted. At 5'5, you're smack in the middle of your mom and dad's height based on what you've listed.

When I was a teen, I had friends who ate nothing but junk food, hardly slept and still ended up well over 6 feet. Some were depressed and got involved with drugs. They still ended up tall.

Until scientists figure out height, it's luck of the draw. 

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Originally posted by joshbaskins

I know you don't want to hear it, but your height is most likely not stunted. At 5'5, you're smack in the middle of your mom and dad's height based on what you've listed.

When I was a teen, I had friends who ate nothing but junk food, hardly slept and still ended up well over 6 feet. Some were depressed and got involved with drugs. They still ended up tall.

Until scientists figure out height, it's luck of the draw. 

I wish you were right. But it's hard to believe that my level of sleep deprivation didn't do anything to my height. I'm talking about 0-2 hours every night from age 10-18.

And your friends' examples don't prove nothing. They could be 6'3" with healthy lifestyle.

It's also funny that you chose to round my 5'5.75" down to 5'5" instead of up 5'6". Hahaha

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Originally posted by batmanbegins

I wish you were right. But it's hard to believe that my level of sleep deprivation didn't do anything to my height. I'm talking about 0-2 hours every night from age 10-18.

And your friends' examples don't prove nothing. They could be 6'3" with healthy lifestyle.

It's also funny that you chose to round my 5'5.75" down to 5'5" instead of up 5'6". Hahaha

He is right. You're 5'5. Own it. The sooner, the better. A tall man who is 6'4.75 doesn't need to say he's 6'5 because 6'4 will still get a "wow" factor from a lot of people.

I too would believe that your sleep deprivation didn't play as big a role as you think it did. I too have friends who played video games all night, or stayed up watching TV all of the time (I don't know how old you are, but I believe I am older) and yet, they still grew tall.

As per nutrition, if you grew up in the west, then you're fine. I too had friends who ate nothing but crap in their formative years and they still grew to be tall. I had a better diet than most (my parents cooked daily) and I still came out 5'7.

If your parents were 5'2 and 5'9, then 5'5' or 5'6 is halfway, so you're where you need to be. Sure parents with those heights have taller and shorter kids, but if you went to an endocrinologist, he would say nothing is wrong with you.... Especially when you yourself admit you were "never big". I am not a doctor, but based on your information, I wouldn't even say you had "idiopathic short stature". It's not like your parents were tall. One was average height and one was short. You ending up short does not require a scientific investigation.

Many of us when we get that "wow, I'm short" moment try to rationalize or workout why we didn't end up 5'10+. This rationalization is a waste of time because you're not going to get any taller, and unless you had a major disease as in your earliest years, you are "correct height" as an adult, and there is NOTHING WRONG with being 5'5. 

As a matter of fact, a simple Google search of "Dengue Fever, short height" yielded this:

Children with dengue fever had a greater height-for-age than healthy ... or severity of dengue infection were conducted in Asia,

So my friend, you are a perfect 5'5. Accept it now and learn to be happy with yourself. It's a tough pill to swallow, but once you accept this and become comfortable with it, good things will follow because valuable space in your mind will be free. 

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Originally posted by ThatFlyShortGuy

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Originally posted by batmanbegins

I wish you were right. But it's hard to believe that my level of sleep deprivation didn't do anything to my height. I'm talking about 0-2 hours every night from age 10-18.

And your friends' examples don't prove nothing. They could be 6'3" with healthy lifestyle.

It's also funny that you chose to round my 5'5.75" down to 5'5" instead of up 5'6". Hahaha

He is right. You're 5'5. Own it. The sooner, the better. A tall man who is 6'4.75 doesn't need to say he's 6'5 because 6'4 will still get a "wow" factor from a lot of people.

I too would believe that your sleep deprivation didn't play as big a role as you think it did. I too have friends who played video games all night, or stayed up watching TV all of the time (I don't know how old you are, but I believe I am older) and yet, they still grew tall.

As per nutrition, if you grew up in the west, then you're fine. I too had friends who ate nothing but crap in their formative years and they still grew to be tall. I had a better diet than most (my parents cooked daily) and I still came out 5'7.

If your parents were 5'2 and 5'9, then 5'5' or 5'6 is halfway, so you're where you need to be. Sure parents with those heights have taller and shorter kids, but if you went to an endocrinologist, he would say nothing is wrong with you.... Especially when you yourself admit you were "never big". I am not a doctor, but based on your information, I wouldn't even say you had "idiopathic short stature". It's not like your parents were tall. One was average height and one was short. You ending up short does not require a scientific investigation.

Many of us when we get that "wow, I'm short" moment try to rationalize or workout why we didn't end up 5'10+. This rationalization is a waste of time because you're not going to get any taller, and unless you had a major disease as in your earliest years, you are "correct height" as an adult, and there is NOTHING WRONG with being 5'5. 

As a matter of fact, a simple Google search of "Dengue Fever, short height" yielded this:

Children with dengue fever had a greater height-for-age than healthy ... or severity of dengue infection were conducted in Asia,

So my friend, you are a perfect 5'5. Accept it now and learn to be happy with yourself. It's a tough pill to swallow, but once you accept this and become comfortable with it, good things will follow because valuable space in your mind will be free. 

Sorry dude. I'm not 5'5". My morning height is closer to 5'6.5". And also only on online forums, I say 5'6". Normally with other people, women, I say 5'7.5"

And tall men is one thing. But when at our heights, we try to appreciate every cm haha

By the way, nowadays, there is Limb Lengthening Surgery which I have ruled out because of the risks. I'm trying to increase my height by natural methods now while waiting for a possible future LL alternative such as reopening the growth plate, that kind of stuffs.

Last edited by batmanbegins (2020-08-09 12:30:36)

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Originally posted by batmanbegins

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Sorry dude. I'm not 5'5". My morning height is closer to 5'6.5". And also only on online forums, I say 5'6". Normally with other people, women, I say 5'7.5"

You said in your OP  "Final Height : 167cm / 5’5.75” "

This means you are 5'5. Accept it. 5'5.75 is not 5'6. 

Tall men don't say "Hi, I am 6'3.3424453535345353". They'll just say they're 6'3.

Women don't say, "Hi, I'm 5'5".75". They'll just say they're 5'5.

Telling people on online forums that you're 5'6 is lying.

Telling women you're 5'7 is lying. In person they will call you out on that lie.

No one walks around and asks "How tall are you in the morning?". They just want to know your height with no back story.

You are in the denial phase. Many short men go through it. 

You are 5'5 and are perfectly fine the way you are. There is nothing wrong with being 5'5. We all come in different heights. 

This is a forum for short men after all, so you won't get judged for being short.

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Originally posted by ThatFlyShortGuy

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Originally posted by batmanbegins

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Sorry dude. I'm not 5'5". My morning height is closer to 5'6.5". And also only on online forums, I say 5'6". Normally with other people, women, I say 5'7.5"

You said in your OP  "Final Height : 167cm / 5’5.75” "

This means you are 5'5. Accept it. 5'5.75 is not 5'6. 

Tall men don't say "Hi, I am 6'3.3424453535345353". They'll just say they're 6'3.

Women don't say, "Hi, I'm 5'5".75". They'll just say they're 5'5.

Telling people on online forums that you're 5'6 is lying.

Telling women you're 5'7 is lying. In person they will call you out on that lie.

No one walks around and asks "How tall are you in the morning?". They just want to know your height with no back story.

You are in the denial phase. Many short men go through it. 

You are 5'5 and are perfectly fine the way you are. There is nothing wrong with being 5'5. We all come in different heights. 

This is a forum for short men after all, so you won't get judged for being short.

Yes I know it's an online forum for short guys, which is why I tell you my real height of 5'6" and not 5'7.5 as I usually tell people.

I also have been measured myself at full 5'6" or a little over in the last one week ever since I started my height excercises.

And let me tell you something, I deeply despise my height I am now. I don't give a shit if other people like their short statures.

Just share your ideas on the topic of this thread. I didn't come here to have short people to tell me to like my height.

Last edited by batmanbegins (2020-08-09 12:56:35)

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Originally posted by batmanbegins

And let me tell you something, I deeply despise my height I am now. I don't give a shit if other people like their short statures.

Just share your ideas on the topic of this thread. I didn't come here to have short people to tell me to like my height.

This forum is not a pity party site. There are plenty of sites that are pity parties, but SGC isn't one of them.

We of course get people from time to time who are upset with who they are, which is a short man.

One of the purposes of this site is to get people to be the best version of themselves. That part, "themselves" is probably the most important.

You will get over your self-loathing and get to a point where you realize you are great as you are and can improve on the things that you have control.

On the subject of women, the one advantage that us men have is that our value isn't hard tied to our looks.

 

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Originally posted by ThatFlyShortGuy

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Originally posted by batmanbegins

And let me tell you something, I deeply despise my height I am now. I don't give a shit if other people like their short statures.

Just share your ideas on the topic of this thread. I didn't come here to have short people to tell me to like my height.

This forum is not a pity party site. There are plenty of sites that are pity parties, but SGC isn't one of them.

We of course get people from time to time who are upset with who they are, which is a short man.

One of the purposes of this site is to get people to be the best version of themselves. That part, "themselves" is probably the most important.

You will get over your self-loathing and get to a point where you realize you are great as you are and can improve on the things that you have control.

On the subject of women, the one advantage that us men have is that our value isn't hard tied to our looks.

 

From the tone of your post, you sound like someone who has been brainwashed by clowns like Geoffrey Arnold. If I had to guess, you're probably 18 or so.

I'm older than you and have more experiences.

And regarding the last thing you sad, too bad, because I intend to tie hard my value to my looks.

We all have heard ugly people say "beauty is on the inside".

Denial won't get you nowhere son.

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Originally posted by batmanbegins

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I'm older than you and have more experiences.

And regarding the last thing you sad, too bad, because I intend to tie hard my value to my looks.

I read through your posts and you actually sound like someone in their early 20s or someone without any real life experience. The self loathing is real with you. You can't be anywhere north of 30 because you fail to understand that looks aren't the bane of a man's existence. Some of us are born with better genetics than others, but we can excel elsewhere in our lives and bring more to the table, and then be valued for the whole package, not just how tall we are.

I doubt you're older than ThatFlyShortGuy. If you are, then you lived a very sheltered life and let negative thoughts run through you; enough so that anyone can sense it anywhere you go. 

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